max s asked: First and foremost let me say that i have absolutely no problem with people having faith in Gods(s) however when i have a problem when you try to prove your faith, it cannot be done, religion cannot be disproved by science as it is a faith, but their are many Christains out there who do try to prove their faith and these points are for them to try and explain.
And please don’t just say “prove God isn’t real” as the one claiming something exists needs to prove it not the other way. eg. i say faries are real, you say they arent, prove that they aren’t.
1.impossible to gather all the creatures of the world with their food and fit them on a boat which measurments have been given by the bible and are far to small to hold them all.
2. what about the plant life, most of it couldnt survive underwater
3.did noah put dinosaurs on his boat
4.what about the freshwater fish when the ocean mixed with the rest of the water it would have become to salty for them.
5.there would be some geological evidence of a global flood, there is none
6.there isnt enough water under the ground, on earth, frozen and in the atmosphere to cover the entire earth.
7.carbon and other various dating methods prove that the earth is billions of years old.
8.fossils prove that there has been life on earth for millions of years before humans.
9.if evolution is untrue in all its forms then where did black, asian, hispanic and the various other people come from.
10.how do you explain the other religions which have remarkably similar events in their beleifs
and are far older than christianity
11.it is impossible for a god to be Omnipotence (absolutly all powerfull) due to paradoxes eg.
could god create a rock so big that he himself could not lift it. if he could then hes not
all powerful as he cant lift the rock, if he cant then hes not all powerful as he cant make
the rock.
12.if the bible is the word of god then why has it been changed so many times and not just
changed tranlations it used to say that the earth was flat, the sun revolved around the
earth and that the earth is the centre of the universe.
please remember this isnt an attack on Christians or their faiths this is an attempt to show that your faith cannot be proven as it is exactly that faith.
(by the way im an Atheist, as if you couldn’t tell)
Mark s
wow that is without a doubt the longest answer that i have ever seen and im sorry to say that i don’t have the time (or to be honest patience to read about how you found god) however i did read the first few paraghraps about your time in uni so ill just talk about them.
Simply because our level of science at this moment cannot explain how/if matter can come from nothing or how dna first developed doesnt mean that it MUST have had a God to make it 5000 years ago we had absolutely no idea about gravity, electricity, the universe, our own world and many other things but we eventually did work out how they work as i believe we will with many things that we dont understand now.
Ok i am getting the type of answers that really i thought i would get Christians i don’t have the time nor patience to again rebunk all of them so ill just do a few.
Theresa N:
the salt water would not have become freshwater, when/if they mixed the freshwater would have become more salty and the saltwater would have become more fresh, however most freshwater fish and plants would die even if there was the tiniest amount of salt in the water.
The only way to prove something is a billion years old is to have had that item for a billion years. is possibly 1 of the most idiotic things ive ever heard, do you actually know how the various dating methods work, check them out here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
those similarites in different religions are not false these are religions that have been around far longer than yours.
how is that a a ridiculous statement, i dont think you understand my omnipotent argument NOTHING can be omnipotent
JEN D:
i do no that in your faith that noah only took 2 of every animal even so it would be impossible to fit 2 of every animal plus 40 days worth food in a boat the size of which is provided by the bible. (um your asking an Atheist if he knows about evolution duh)
um there is reason to believe that dinosaurs werent on the ark as they all died about 65 million years before humans even evolved.
esther93…
right……………. well wat can i say, except that you are a very deluded person,i love people for several reasons 1. certain chemicals that the brain releases (thats right my brain not god) 2. i love because i choose to not because someone makes me love.
Ok you people that try to rebunk my noah arguments read this and the other edits i have done
the bible gives the supposed exact measurments and even if ew were to double them there would not be enough room to fit 2 of every species even if they were just babies on board plus those animals of which even if it was just 2 of each there would be many millions would require not only 40 days food and completely fresh water without even the tiniest amount of salt but they would need to be provided with months possibily years worth when the floods subsided as all the plants would be dead and the water tainted. and since all he took was 2 of every kind what did the carnivors eat?????
and dinosaurs could NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE DAMN BOAT EVEN IF THEY WERE THE SIZE OF A ANT AS THEY WERE NOT AROUND AT THE TIME OF HUMANS IT IS A FACT I SAY AGAIN FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN EXTINCT FOR AROUND 65 MILLION YEARS.
Harley Charley
I did bring this upon myself by asking christians to counter my own factual arguments so i shouldnt be surprised i got answers like yours. however i will once again try to show you what true facts are.
1.Didn’t need to. Only needed one pair of each species.All dogs share dna from wolves and can interbreed proving subspecies. this is a form of evolution, thereby you just proved that your god doesnt exist.
2.Seeds would survive in dormant state. Researchers have found grain stored in south american that will grow if planted. not all plant seeds would survive, many species are extremely suseptable to even the minutest amount of salt as seeds (so how is it that these speicies are around today)
3.Yes. Some were as small as chickens, scientists contend reptiles are related to or descended from dinos. And actually God sent the animals to Noah. again i say this its a fact that dinosaurs and humans lived around 65million years apart.
4.The ocean would have been quite diluted by the excessive rain and springs. yet again i say this there are many speicies that would die even if they drank the tiniest amount of salt water and no matter how diluted there would still be some trace of salt.
5.Oh but there have been fossils of ocean dwelling creatures found as high as 10,000 feet in seveal places. thats because millions and billions of years ago before those places became mountains they were under the water (do you know how mountains are formed)
6.Oh but there would be if all the highest mountains were moved into the deepest valleys of the ocean. There is a very great amount of water underground. yes and if i had a billion dollars i would buy a huge house, the mountains werent moved even your own bible says that. and it is a FACT that there is NOT enough water even with all underground,salt,fresh,frozen,atmopheric,vapor water to cover the ENTIRE surface of the planet.
7. um mist would not stop any form of raidiation, and even if that does disprove carbon dating (thats a big if) go make a fossil then since im sure it must happen over night, and again even if you have proved c14 to be wrong what about the other forms of dating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
8.same as 7
9.Those are variations brought on by climate, diet and genetic similarities after God changed the languages at Babel. People with similar language migrated to an area and established their own civilization there and the differences became more pronounced than if they had remained in one area together with all the others.
that is evolution again you disprove your own god.
10.That serves to prove that people have a subconscious awareness of a God. no it doesnt it just means that ancient people didnt understand how things worked and so by their logic it must have been a gods doing.
11.This is a frivolous question that proves nothing. it proves that it is impossible for anything to be absolutely all powerfull because of paradoxes
12.The only changes have been from protestantism removing some books they felt were not relevant and languages have evolved.
WRONG its a FACT that the bible used to say thatthe earth is flat, that the sun revoles around us and that we are the centre of the universe.
These are actual factual arguments not arguments like “well IF this happened and IF this happened or God did it” please i would like (if you can give any) factual ways to disprove my arguments (keeping in mind if you do so then you will not only be the first ever person to do so but you will be disproving facts)
Harley
im not saying that the mountains wouldnt fit into the ocean, im saying how did the mountains move there, theres no mention of god moving them, just because they would fit under the ocean doesnt mean that the water could rise up to cover them is plausable, if that happened then there would be giant holes with no water in them and so not covered.
several of your answers continue to prove that you believe in evolution specifically answers 1, 4, and 9. evolution is the changing of a species no matter how small eg colour of the skin.
most of your other arguments i have already provided edits for eg. dinosaurs (several times) and the salt water stuff.
So in answer to your question of why i have my profile set to private and what do i have to hide my answer is, its set to private because i dont like strangers on the internet to know personal details about my life unless i wish them to see them. what am i hiding
So in answer to your question of why i have my profile set to private and what do i have to hide my answer is, its set to private because i dont like strangers on the internet to know personal details about my life unless i wish them to see them. eg i dont want people like your self to just be able to click on the profile and see the personal answers that i have given to some questions, but i here u say u answerd those questions with personal answers in the first place so u shouldnt care if people see them, in response to that question which u will no doubt ask i say that i dont mind if you read 1 or 2 of those answers which is all u will be able to do if u see 1 of them i dont want people to no everything about me.
so what am i hiding well in essence everything, but prob not for the reasons ur thinking im not ashamed of anything its just i like my privacy to a certain extent.
Harley
do u actually understand what evolution is “evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. This process causes organisms to change over time.” adaptations that appear in some members of a species and not others that are passed on from generation to generation without the need to learn new skills is a form of evolution by definition.
I actually have checked out all ofthe links that u provided however i dont believe any of the religious crap thats on the sites, because they are just that religious sites that are trying to find holes in science and fill it with religion.
Harley you seem like an intelligent (albeit misguided person) i have allowed the option of emailing me (the reason i has it block is i was getting several emails a day from your fellow christians telling me in no uncertain terms that i was evil) if u wish u may email me.